Psychedelic Treatment of Depression with Dr. Katelyn Kalstein

What would you say to your younger self? Dr. Katelyn Kalstein got a chance to answer that very question when she experienced her first psychedelic experience as a teenager that changed the way she saw herself, her problems, and her entire reality. After becoming disillusioned with conventional treatment approaches that mask symptoms without addressing the root problem, Dr. Katelyn went searching for a better solution—one that would promote true healing and health. Today, Dr. Katelyn is a functional medicine practitioner who works with her patients to develop personalized treatment plans for body, mind, and spirit.

“I was trying to escape my mind. I found, after being in India for a year, that you can go across the world but you can’t run from what’s happening inside of you.”

Having experienced the fascinating effects of ketamine myself, I couldn’t wait to sit down with Dr. Katelyn and take a deep dive into mental health, the reasons we experience depression, how ketamine combats those feelings, and why antidepressants are so harmful and hard to quit. This conversation absolutely did not disappoint. Dr. Katelyn’s story is incredible and her work is changing lives and literally reshaping brains. Don’t miss this episode!

“Depression is a symptom of something else. We’ve made it a disorder in itself.”

  • Mental health, the elephant in the room (7:00)

  • The dissociation of mushrooms (10:00)

  • Self-healing experiences (15:00)

  • The ways we avoid rejection (18:00)

  • How widespread is suppressed trauma? (23:00)

  • The spectrum of depression (25:00)

  • The pervasiveness of the tribe mentality and the value of community (30:00)

  • Three ways to combat feelings of depression without pills (32:45)

  • Spirituality and positivity do not go hand-in-hand, but isolation and depression do (38:00)

  • Fight, flight, freeze...or look for help (46:00)

  • How does naturopathic treatment for depression start? (49:00)

  • Ketamine: the legal psychedelic that breaks down barriers and shows you what you need for healing (55:00)

  • It’s not the drug that does the work—that’s why it’s ketamine-ASSISTED therapy (1:08:00)

  • The shift that enables real change (1:10:00)

  • Why are antidepressants so harmful and hard to quit? (1:12:40)

  • Nutrition and nutraceuticals’ role in treatment (1:17:00)

  • The power of the placebo effect (1:20:00)

  • Where to find Dr. Katelyn (1:22:40)

  • Why Joe thought he was missing a tooth (1:24:00)

In This Episode

Joe’s episode with Pete Evans

Kundalini by Joe (also found in Breathe Better, Move Better)

The Antidote: Happiness for People Who Can't Stand Positive Thinking by Olivier Burkeman

The Mood Cure by Julia Ross

The song Joe’s still listening to

Dr. Kalstein’s free Ketamine Guide

Where to Find Dr. Katelyn

Instagram | Facebook | Website

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